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The Original Church, with Dr. James L. Papandrea, is an ecumenical Christian community exploring our common roots in the early Church for the purposes of spiritual growth and practicing the Christian faith. No politics, debates, or proselytizing, just "faith seeking understanding" from the perspective of the early (and medieval) Church and the Church fathers. Jim Papandrea is an author and Professor of Church History and Historical Theology.
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As promised, here's the script change for the latest episode:

So, on the topic of the Universal Church - In the second episode on St. Gregory of Narek, I originally wrote this:

In any case, in the aftermath of the Council of Chalcedon, after 451, we have the first permanent split of the Church that, on the one hand, still exists today, but on the other hand, is recognized as legitimately Christian. What this means is that there would, after this, always be so-called separated brethren - Christians who are in the universal Church, but not in the Catholic Church. Now you may be used to the idea that the Catholic Church IS the universal Church - that in fact the very word Catholic means universal, or the whole Church. And that was true in the beginning - for Ignatius of Antioch - The Catholic Church is the mainstream Christian Church, led by the bishops in succession from the apostles, and he says, you docetics who are having your own separate meetings without the Eucharist because you don’t believe in the real presence - you are not Catholic - you’re not catholic because you’re not Christian - so Christian = Catholic, and Catholic = Christian. But eventually something changes - temporarily with Novatian, and permanently with the non-chalcedonian churches. Now it’s possible to be Christian but not Catholic. There are Christians,who are not Catholic, and we know this, if nothing else, from the second Vatican council. And eventually, in the 20th century the Catholic Church and the non-chalcedonian churches recognized each other as Christian and dropped the mutual accusations of apostasy. To be clear, we Catholics will still say that the Catholic Church is the TRUE Church. But that’s not exactly the same thing as the universal Church. Because there are Christians within the universal Church who are not Catholic. Again, to be clear, those churches or ecclesial communities that are outside the Catholic Church -
can only be within the universal Church - that is, they can only hope for salvation - because they subsist under the umbrella, if you will, of the True Church, the Catholic Church. But the point is, to be called a Doctor of the Church is to be affirmed as a doctor of the universal Church, not just the Catholic Church.Keep in mind that St. Gregory himself lived well after the schism, so at the very least he’s not held responsible for his status outside the Catholic Church...

OK, that's what I had - and after consultation with my producer, this is the final version of the script in that section:

In any case, in the aftermath of the Council of Chalcedon, after 451, we have the first long-term split from the Church in which, on the one hand, the separated body still exists today, but on the other hand, it is recognized as legitimately Christian. Many of the controversies over various heresies in the early Church involved issues that, if you got wrong, you would not even be a Christian anymore, like denying the divinity of Christ for example. But over time, there would also be groups that either rejected some less fundamental doctrine of the Church, or just rejected the authority of the Church by going into schism. The Church in time recognized that these groups, although not Catholic, were still Christian. And with regard to the Armenian Apostolic Church in particular, in the 20th century the Catholic Church and these non-chalcedonian churches recognized each other as Christian and dropped the mutual accusations of apostasy. In addition, it is important to note that the Armenian Apostolic Church, though not in communion with the Catholic Church, had and has Apostolic succession - validly ordained priests and bishops - and thus has all seven sacraments,
giving someone like St. Gregory a spiritual life much closer to that of Catholics than, say, a Protestant might have. And keep in mind that St. Gregory himself lived well after the schism. So at the very least he’s not held responsible for his status outside the Catholic Church.

So you can see we cut it down, and removed some of the stuff on the distinction between Catholic Church and Universal Church. And my producer also made an important point: Benect XVI had clarified that the affirmation that a person might find salvation in a non-Catholic espression of the faith does not necessarily legitimize the ecclesial body in question (for example a Protestant denomination) but rather it's about the people in that tradition or communion - in other words the Catholic Church affirms that individuals in other communions may find salvation, but this does not necessarily affirm the validity of that other communion.

So there you have it - I thought you might find this behind-the-scenes conversation interesting.

JP

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In case you missed it, here's my Gospel Reflection

This was for March 24th, recorded for the Ascension App

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The Journey is BACK!

Thanks for your patience - here is our next installment of The Journey - it's session # 96, but I'm also calling it PART 1 of a "miniseries" on John chapter 6.

Whoever watches it first, please let me know if it looks good or if there are any problems with it - I get through the first two sections of the text on the feeding of the 5,000.

Enjoy!

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Name this movie...
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Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain

I mentioned in The Journey that I wrote a song based on Isaiah 2, which is one of my favorite OT passages:

In days to come, the mountain of the Lord’s house
shall be established as the highest mountain, and raised above the hills.
All nations shall stream toward it. Many peoples shall come and say:
“Come, let us go up to the Lord’s mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths.” For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He shall judge between the nations, and set terms for many peoples.
They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; One nation shall not raise the sword against another, nor shall they train for war again. House of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the Lord!

I hope you like the song!

Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain
Had a Great Conversation with Dustin Quick Last Night

It was pre-recorded - here it is:

Would you like some of my music on CD?

As I'm going through all my belongings as part of our move, I have come across some audio CDs of my old music, from when I had my band, Remember Rome - if any of you still have a CD player, and you would like me to send you some of what I have, send me the address to send them to at this email address: [email protected]

Some of these CDs are in their original cases, and some were demo samples, but either way, it's all original music written by me, and performed by me and my band back in the late 90s and early 2000s.

I'll be happy to find a good home for these CDs in case you might enjoy them, and because you all have been supporting me (and I haven't produced much content in the last month or so) I'll send you one or more CDs for free. Just give me an address.

Thanks!

In case you know someone going on pilgrimate this year...

Here's the link to the new edition of my Rome book on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Second-Pilgrims-Guide-Eternal/dp/B0F8TGTWZX

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