The Original Church
Spirituality/Belief
The Original Church, with Dr. James L. Papandrea, is an ecumenical Christian community exploring our common roots in the early Church for the purposes of spiritual growth and practicing the Christian faith. No politics, debates, or proselytizing, just "faith seeking understanding" from the perspective of the early (and medieval) Church and the Church fathers. Jim Papandrea is an author and Professor of Church History and Historical Theology.
Interested? Want to learn more about the community?
The Original Church in 2025

Happy Sunday! As we look toward the end of the calendar year and the beginning of a new year, I'm very aware that, on the one hand, we've been at this for 2 years and I'm super grateful, but on the other hand, it hasn't quite become what I thought it would. I started this Locals community in the hope of creating a kind of closed-loop social media platform, where like-minded people would interact and create great conversation. I had envisioned a multi-level experience with live gatherings, and lots of different kinds of content. A few things have become clear that change the vision. First, with the addition of the Way of the Fathers Podcast to my schedule (and I get paid for that) I don't really have the time to create and curate the original vision. Second, most people don't really do live events because their schedules are too busy. I am super grateful for those who have made the effort to be present for the live streams and the live conversations, but it remains just the same few usual suspects. (I was tempted to call these my "Peter, James, and John" inner circle, but then I realized that this analogy would put me in the role of Jesus, so...)

OK, so all that is to say, that I would love to hear from YOU about how we can make this community the best experience and the most fruitful for you. Here are some questions:

1) Is there a better day & time than Saturdays at 11 ET for The Journey live stream? (And I really want to hear from those of you who watch it later, in case there is a day or time when you would be more likely to attend live).

2) Is there some other content I could add or facilitate that would make it feel like supporters get more for their $10/month. (And I acknowledge that I have avoided any kind of a situation where supporters get more than non-supporter members. I never wanted a tier system where there are first and second class citizens, and I never wanted to turn this into a marketing thing or have to manage who gets what - because then you always end up having to deny something from someone, but I don't know any other way that fits with my personality.)

3) I know that the Locals app is not the greatest, technology-wise, which is why I am open to using Rumble - but it remains to be seen what that will look like - in any case, I hope that in the new year live streams can be done without the app, just in a browser - which may mean that the app becomes superfluous - but then of course that will mean that there is even less of a chance of people other than me posting in the feed. Any thoughts on this?

All this is to say that, on the one hand, I want to continue with The Original Church community, at least for the Bible Study, but I'm open to re-envisioning it according to what will be most useful or engaging for YOU. So now's the time to give me feedback - because in the next few weeks I'll be figuring things out and making some prayerful decisions about how to move forward (and I would appreciate your prayers for my discernment process).

Thanks everyone for being a part of this community - now speak up - I want to hear from you!

  • with much gratitude, Jim
Interested? Want to learn more about the community?
What else you may like…
Videos
Podcasts
Posts
Name this movie...
00:00:08
She likes Mass better in Latin
00:00:05
The Holy Column

Here's a short (about a minute) video I took going around the Holy Column in the church of Santa Prassede. This is the column that Jesus was tied to when he was scourged by Pontius Pilate. They don't always have the barrier down, so you usually don't get to see it from all the way around. I wanted to get video of the whole thing all the way around because I ran across a note in an ancient document that said that those who made a pilgrimage (at that time to the Holy Land, since it was still in Jerusalem) could visit the Holy Column, and could see marks left from the hands of Jesus where he gripped it as he was being whipped. I assume that this is pious legend, but I figured since the column has that dark & light marble, maybe there's a place where the dark parts look like hands. I did not see it, but if you do, let me know!

00:00:46
Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain

I mentioned in The Journey that I wrote a song based on Isaiah 2, which is one of my favorite OT passages:

In days to come, the mountain of the Lord’s house
shall be established as the highest mountain, and raised above the hills.
All nations shall stream toward it. Many peoples shall come and say:
“Come, let us go up to the Lord’s mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths.” For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He shall judge between the nations, and set terms for many peoples.
They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; One nation shall not raise the sword against another, nor shall they train for war again. House of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the Lord!

I hope you like the song!

Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain
Here's a new interview on Catholic morning radio

My voice was still recovering from a bad cold, so not sounding my best, but this was a great conversation about pilgrimage, for the Jubilee year - more of this coming in other interviews! (FYI, I think I was the third of three guests that day, so you will have to fast forward to find me)

So... to recap on the first question: What is Heresy?

It seems that one way or another we need to talk about different kinds, or different levels of heresy. What I have been calling heresy vs. heterodoxy, others call heresy on fundamental doctrines vs. heresy on less fundamental doctrines. In other words, Heresy with a capital H (over fundamental doctrines like the Trinity and christology) are the kinds of heresies that move one outside the boundaries of what Christianity is, and that's because the very definition of Christianity is defined according to these fundamental doctrines. To refuse to sign the Creed at the Council of Nicaea in 325, or the Council of Constantinople in 381 - and indeed to reject any of the contents of the Creed today - means that a person is NOT a Christian.

So are the non-chalcedonians, such as the miaphysites (including St. Gregory of Narek, and today's Coptic Christians) - are they heretics? Well, like it is with a lot of things, that depends on your definition of heresy. If you include in your definition of ...

Behind the Scenes of the Podcast

As promised, I thought that this would be a good discussion starter here in the community - this is from a conversation I had with my producer at Catholic Culture, around the podcast episodes on St. Gregory of Narek. If you've listened to the first episode on St. Gregory, you know that he is the first and only Doctor of the Church who was not Catholic! What are we to make of this? How do we explain it? Well, it was within the context of me trying to explain it that two really fundamental questions came up, and had to be hashed out between me and my producer. The first question - and this was surprising, given that we had a whole series on The Heresies - the first question is: What is a heresy? And how you answer that has serious implications for the second question, which is: What is the Universal Church? And that has serious implications for ecumenical dialogue, not to mention how we think about our fellow Christians who are not Catholic. So let's take the first question first (and here's ...

See More
Available on mobile and TV devices
google store google store app store app store
google store google store app tv store app tv store amazon store amazon store roku store roku store
Powered by Locals