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The Original Church, with Dr. James L. Papandrea, is an ecumenical Christian community exploring our common roots in the early Church for the purposes of spiritual growth and practicing the Christian faith. No politics, debates, or proselytizing, just "faith seeking understanding" from the perspective of the early (and medieval) Church and the Church fathers. Jim Papandrea is an author and Professor of Church History and Historical Theology.
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A note on the use of the words Symbol and Figure in the fathers

We've been having this conversation about the Eucharist, and there are a couple Church fathers, in particular Clement of Alexandria and Augustine, who use words like symbol and figure when talking about the Eucharistic elements. What we have to keep in mind is that these words are English translations of Greek and Latin concepts that do not mean exactly what the English words mean. To the point, symbolic does not mean "only a symbol," and figurative does not mean "only a metaphor."

The word symbol (especially in Augustine, but reading Augustine correctly will help you understand Clement of Alexandria correctly) should be understood very much like the way the word SIGN is used in the Gospel of John. A sign is something that points to a deeper reality. So the bread and wine are symbols of the Body and Blood of Christ, in the sense that they point to the deeper reality of the Body and Blood. The Body and Blood are MORE real than the bread and wine, because after the consecration, the bread and wine only exist in the tangible aspects (accidents) and do not have substance (essence), but the Body and Blood of Christ exist in substance, even though they do not have tangible accidents. The point is that to say the bread and wine are symbols, does not mean that what they symbolize is not really there - actually it's the opposite - to say that the bread and wine are symbols means that they are the less real reality that "show" us the more real reality that underlies it. Another way that Augustine would say this is that the symbol BECOMES the reality.

The word "figure/figurative" is more tricky, but for all practical purposes you can read this word in the same way. The bread and wine are present "in a figure" - the point being that the Body and Blood are present IN REALITY.

One final note, for fun, as a reward if you read this to the end. In the ANF translation of Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor 2.2, where Clement is trying to tell us not to get drunk, there is a Greek word there that means "the discomfort and nausea that follow the immoderate use of wine and the intoxication" and that is characterized by "head shaking." In other words, a hangover. The Greek word for a hangover is apparently kraipale - which the translator renders as "crapulousness." What a great word! So the next time you have a hangover (not that I'm advocating that), you can say, "Man, I feel crapulous!"

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In case you missed it, here's my Gospel Reflection

This was for March 24th, recorded for the Ascension App

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The Journey is BACK!

Thanks for your patience - here is our next installment of The Journey - it's session # 96, but I'm also calling it PART 1 of a "miniseries" on John chapter 6.

Whoever watches it first, please let me know if it looks good or if there are any problems with it - I get through the first two sections of the text on the feeding of the 5,000.

Enjoy!

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Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain

I mentioned in The Journey that I wrote a song based on Isaiah 2, which is one of my favorite OT passages:

In days to come, the mountain of the Lord’s house
shall be established as the highest mountain, and raised above the hills.
All nations shall stream toward it. Many peoples shall come and say:
“Come, let us go up to the Lord’s mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths.” For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He shall judge between the nations, and set terms for many peoples.
They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; One nation shall not raise the sword against another, nor shall they train for war again. House of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the Lord!

I hope you like the song!

Here's another song... Come Let Us Climb the Lord's Mountain
Had a Great Conversation with Dustin Quick Last Night

It was pre-recorded - here it is:

Would you like some of my music on CD?

As I'm going through all my belongings as part of our move, I have come across some audio CDs of my old music, from when I had my band, Remember Rome - if any of you still have a CD player, and you would like me to send you some of what I have, send me the address to send them to at this email address: [email protected]

Some of these CDs are in their original cases, and some were demo samples, but either way, it's all original music written by me, and performed by me and my band back in the late 90s and early 2000s.

I'll be happy to find a good home for these CDs in case you might enjoy them, and because you all have been supporting me (and I haven't produced much content in the last month or so) I'll send you one or more CDs for free. Just give me an address.

Thanks!

In case you know someone going on pilgrimate this year...

Here's the link to the new edition of my Rome book on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Second-Pilgrims-Guide-Eternal/dp/B0F8TGTWZX

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